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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:38 am

Gandalfs Beard

This is just a tiny partial list of inventions by women:

chocolate chip cookies
circular saw
dishwasher
electric hot water heater
engine muffler
fire escape
globes
kevlar
life raft
locomotive chimney
medical syringe
rotary engine
street-cleaning machine
submarine lamp and telescope
windshield wiper

we will never know how many women inventors there were in history. let's get something straight here,
in addition to the historical rigamorole of denying women basic rights, basic education, lack of control over their sexual reproductive organs, denied the right to choose whom they would marry, omitted from government ( to name just a few)...women were also NOT allowed to get a PATENT in their own name. a PATENT is considered property and women were not allowed to own property, they were also not allowed to enter into legal contracts/agreements in their own name either. they had to submit their inventions under their husband's name. so many inventions are FALSELY attributed to men. the authority of these laws were and are ( in many areas of the world still) backed up with violence, by males in the immediate family, extended family, social organization, and /or government.

by the way, just so you know, the same stands for female authors, many had to publish under a male pseudonym, or under their husband's name.

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:39 am

Odo Banks

If I may be as bold as to stick my nose in...

GB, I have two visions now!

One is of you in shiny armor on a white robotic horse (possibly of your own invention) riding into a darkly dank castle to save a fair maiden from a Paternalistic Blackguard planning to deflower her.

The other vision I have is of a Strong Willed Woman (possibly with hairy armpits and unshaved legs - and there's nothing wrong with that!) riding a white robotic horse (possibly of her own invention) into a cruelly indifferent modern city to save you from a Paternalistic Blackguard planning to deflower you.

My question to you is:

Have I discovered Dualism?

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:39 am

Gandalfs Beard

Make her a stunningly beautiful Warrior Elf Maiden (with shaved armpits and legs....wait, Elves AREN'T hairy, so no hairy parts or stubble), who is the picture of innocence, yet with the Wisdom of an Immortal, and the Power of a Goddess, and it would most likely be Vision Number 2 Laughing .

(Hey, I may be a Chivalrous Modern Progressive (there's a duality for you <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> ), but I still have Old Fashioned ideals of Beauty Rolling Eyes (is that dual-dualism :? ?)).

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:39 am

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Tea Club Feminism or Fair Dinkum Feminism, GB? For me it's hairy arm pits or shaved. We Australians like things straight, awright! Easy to unnerstan, awright!

Now, there's three kinda women down ear: (1) Gorgeous chickee babes in dresses, skirts and mini-skirts, with nice girly personalities, (2) Ugly chickee babes without pesonalities (to speak of), and (3) Feminist Lesbian Leftee Trousered Tattoed chickee babes.... Nah! That's two kinds iddennit...?

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:40 am

Gandalfs Beard

Goodness, I didn't know you had such a limited range Down Under Laughing . Here in California, one can find more than a few ladies matching my description. I'm just not worthy enough to attract their attention <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> .

(Maybe I should get out more <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> ...Nah...too much effort Rolling Eyes ).

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:40 am

Odo Banks

t's amazing how many women like wealthy men. Apparently wealthy men have a natural gorgeousness. I suggest two means by which you may gain poisitive female attention.

(1) Become extremely wealthy and drive a Ferrari, or similar eye-attracting vehicle. Make sure you've got your apartment in New York organized. Wear gold chains and other expensive jewellery.

(2) If like me you have less means at hand: save up and seek a house with a red light out the front. This is obviously a temporary solution, but one that nonetheless offers some certainty and, depending on how much you've saved, the chance of enjoying some high quality entertainment, however brief. (If this is the route you take, please PM me ASAP, for I have an Academic Interest in this kind of thing).

NB I trust that this being a Feminist Thread, and somewhat highbrow, only Adults visit here! :ugeek:

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:41 am

Seems to me the main impediment to feminism is women. Repeated surveys of young girls in UK have shown their role models to be vacuous big breasted bimbos most commonly spotted falling out of their dresses whilst falling out of nightclubs. Female scientists, pioneers or inventors don't get a look in. And as every male knows it's rarely a good idea to try and engage a woman in a conversation about politics, science or religion unless you want to see her eyes glaze over, and from about age 14 you quickly come to understand that talking fantasy novels is a way to ensure no woman ever talk to you again. So I don't think woman can get away with blaming men for all the problems, too many women really are centered on clothes, shoes and babies.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:41 am

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They are you know, and God bless 'em for it. It's the intelligent ones that bother me most. They always want to discuss things when all I want to do is... Nah! Better not whinge about women.... I married a school teacher, Mr Tyrant, so I better jump off this thread. If she sees what I'm writing here, I'm bound to get a lecture!

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:42 am

Hail Manwe

Hail !! Gandalfs Beard.

Apologies for the late reply, My wife was using the pc to buy A new dress !!

Seriously, I am sorry to have offended you, In hindsight I guess I did generalize a bit and could have said more.
Many thanks for your amazing encyclopaedic lists of superior women thru the ages ! most enlightening.
(although maybe a skelp would have been easier for you) !!
Its not that I don't know who some of these women are, Just that none of them immediately sprang to my mind.
To be honest, they still don't ! In the way Tolkien does I mean (inventor of the world)!
To take a topical example from your list. JK Rowling is probably the most famous lady author in the world just
now and I'm not saying Harry potter isn't good (though it aint Tolkien). What I am saying is that she had somwhere
to start. The origins of her world rely on the existing world and things like the sun and the moon are already there.
You are to assume that there has always been Hogwarts and wizards which is fine if you want to hit the ground
running. It just seems more like a gathering of other things to me (perhaps in my ignorance..thankyou)
Tolkien started from 'In the beginning' ! Which, I believe, sets him apart.

Anyway, I promise not to dig big holes for myself in future and I hope you will still keep me straight where
contentious subjects are concerned. (Although I may not be the only one who needs 'skelped'.

Hail !!

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:42 am

Odo banks

Talk about Hail Manwe, you seem both genuinely apologetic and snidely cheeky at the same time! I wonder if GB will be convinced? (If you're not careful, you'll get whacked with another list - possibly more than one! Laughing )

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:43 am

Hail Manwe

Sometimes the greater must guide (and even pardon) the lesser though he may be very wayward or
even cheeky ! Let us hope my apology is taken in the spirit in which it is meant, sincerely.
I have no wish to set him against me !

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:43 am

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Apparently you're not the only one who needs skelping Hail Manwe Laughing . At least Odo's got a wife to keep him in line. But it would seem that Mr Tyrant could use a skelping too <img src='/images/smileys/wink.gif' border='0' alt='Wink Smilie' /> .

Petty, you do realize don't you, that most women, once they hit puberty, finally understand what's wrong with blokes. They do all that stuff for us you know! Because they know men have a problem dealing with women who just might be smarter than them. So they put on a dumb act, get breast implants, and doll themselves up just to make us feel better (unless they're the hairy tattooed "Lefty" ones that Odo was speaking about). Apparently they do it because they love us :mrgreen: (bless their hearts).

As for not being into Fantasy, well Women often have far more practical concerns (like raising the kids, doing the dishes, AND holding down a job). Or they are WRITING Fantasy books (they know what we like). Many Women DO actually read Fantasy books too, but you'll find most of that sort at Narniaweb. They tend to prefer Fantasy with critters like Unicorns and Valiant Mice in. You will find a few around this neighborhood too, but they tend to be put off by loutish behaviour (most women are) and figure it's not worth their time hanging out when they've got kids to feed, a job to go to, and a physics degree to study for geek .

On the issue of Originality, Tolkien and Lewis were the first to admit that they were cadging from Ancient Sources. And those Pagan sources all originated when The Goddess was still the Godhead. JK Rowling is just bringing it full circle and bringing balance back to the Collective Subconscious.

Anyway, H Manwe, good of you to be Manly enough to step up and take your lumps 8-) . Cheers Mate. It woulda been easier just ta skelp ya Laughing . But it's far less educational, and I take a wee bit of pride in touting the general Superior Intellect of Tolkien Fans.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:44 am

As to whether or not I require a skelping may be for others to decide but I was not simply being glib. I have nieces and friends with young daughters and they have little interests outside of media driven concepts of the female- which currently do not favour brains. I don't say this to cast a male shadow over womenkind but out of a genuine fear that the generations of girls growing up currently have no solid female role models in science, invention, literature etc despite, as your excellent list shows, their being many such women who could be promoted as role models.

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:44 am

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Who controls the media that tells Girls what Boys like Razz ?????? Hmmm, methinks it's a gender looking to keep the Patriarchy alive.

And the dumbing down is directed at men and women alike, better to keep the rabble from knowing too much and squabbling amongst themselves instead of directing their discontent at the Ruling Class.


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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:44 am

couldn't agree with you more GB, I just think its a shame whoever is controlling it, it wastes all those potentially brilliant female minds on trivialities. As to dumbing down, reminds me of something Orwell says in 1984 about how people have been conditioned to become bored or disinterested when they hear or see anything that goes against Party thinking. Seems to me that's what dumbing down has achieved and its getting worse generation upon generation..

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:45 am

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Too True indeed Petty <img src='/images/smileys/sad.gif' border='0' alt='Sad Smilie' /> . That's one of the reasons I prefer Tolkien forums. The caliber of conversation is much more intellectually stimulating :ugeek: (when we're not just engaged in banter Rolling Eyes ).

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:45 am

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In Australia we don't like to waste too much time thinking (male or female), we find it best to think of something, do it, and then go and do something else - anything other than thinking too deeply.

In my spare time (we have lots of it) I ride kangaroos and lend my Wisdom on forums - sometimes at the same time. My wife reads books on deportment and cookery (oh yes, she teaches something or other too). My daughter tries on clothes that she buys on the internet and reads Harry Potter and all sorts of other books - total waste of time - but it's her time to waste. And my son harasses his teachers with cheekiness and disrespect - sad but true - my hair is grey (I don't know where he gets [i:pavuaofh]that [/i:pavuaofh]from!)

You see, not thinking too much gives us plenty of time to do what we like! (And, of course, there's the beaches! Ah! The beaches...!)

Oh yes, if something needs to be done, we just do it. Sitting around gabbing about our deep Tolkien thoughts all day and getting nothing actually done is not in our psyche. Okay, you're no doubt saying that I'm here on this forum 'gabbing' a lot - but I've got everything done, you see - and as you must already know - I expend very little brain power on my posts. Have you not heard this saying: "Wisdom is the art of not thinking too much"? (You may not have heard this before - I just made it up. Thought it, typed it, here it is!)

Thinking is over rated, don't you think? We certainly don't waste much time thinking about Feminism. (Some hairy people do - but we don't see [i:pavuaofh]them[/i:pavuaofh] as real Australians).

GB, I hope you're not puffing up!

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:46 am

Eldorion

wish I had a kangaroo I could ride, too.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:46 am

Odo Banks

Ah! Most people wish that Eldo, yes, most people do! I guess even a certain Nerd dreams of riding kangaroos! (But doesn't everyone?)

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:46 am

Eldorion

Of course! :mrgreen:

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Re: Feminism

Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:47 am

Odo Banks

have a question for you (and everyone else, really) Eldorion.

If you and a lady person (possibly a Feminist) are both waiting to ride a kangaroo, but there is only one kangaroo available, should you:

(A) Let the lady person ride first;
(B) Ride first yourself (providing she says you can);
(C) Ride first (pushing her out the way if necessary);
(D) Toss a coin (you may have to toss a coin to decide who tosses the coin);
(E) Discuss Feminist Doctrine until the answer miraculously appears (and I mean [i:19u9zgk7]miraculously[/i:19u9zgk7]);
or
(G) Ride tandem (assuming the kangaroo is big enough and the lady person is willing)?

If you choose (G) other questions will inevitably arise.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:47 am

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say whoever got their first should get to ride the kangaroo first. I look on the notion of automatically letting women go first and doing favours for them [i:1lzs8cqc]for no reason but that they are women[/i:1lzs8cqc] as an outdated relic of "chivalry": founded on the idea that women need protection and favours from men. If I'm feeling nice I might let someone else go ahead of me, man or woman, just to be nice; but not because of the idea that I should based on the person's gender.

However, if the lady person is my girlfriend, I would go with option G. 8-)

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:47 am

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For me the answer is (A) and always will be. At least, for as long as I can ride kangaroos anyway. Old age or PC will be the limiting factor. PC as in [i:108svj6d]not[/i:108svj6d] being allowed to ride kangaroos anymore because its cruel or something. Not even PC will stop me being Chivalrous! Women may not like being treated like Ladies, Eldorion, but Ladies do.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:48 am

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For me the answer is always (A) no matter who it is, Lady or otherwise. Modern rules of Chivalry dictate gender neutrality, therefore I always hold the door for another if I reach it first, woman or man. Same applies to Roos. If I and someone else come across a Roo, I'll give the other a first crack at riding it.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:48 am

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Good manners is what you're talking about, not Chivalry as such in the way I meant it when I used the word. You may have to explain to the Lady if it ever happens that you'd do the same for a man. This way you can't have your Modernism misunderstood for showing[i:34fe2hlf] actual [/i:34fe2hlf]respect for a woman. Anyway, I'll put you on my statistics under (A) - no one need to know the whole truth.

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